Arian first interviews Ben "Noxville" Steenhuisen and talks about Dota statistics and how events like ESL One use the information contained in the game and replay files to make the experience better for viewers. Then Arian talks with Jack "KBBQ" Chen and discusses the arc of his career from trying to break into the pro scene, to presenting and translating at TI7, to finally becoming the team manager of Forward Gaming.